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Hutchison’s Huddle: National Infertility Awareness Week

April 23rd to 29th was National Infertility Awareness Week and we decided to do something different for Hutchison’s Huddle. Dr. Hutchison and Holly, our IVF Coordinator, met with three RHC couples on different stages in their fertility journeys. They each share their stories with infertility and what it has been like to work with RHC.

1 in 8 couples are affected by infertility. And yet, these struggles often aren’t openly shared, making the journey even harder. By sharing our patients’ stories, we hope that it encourages you and helps to normalize your experience. No matter what kind of journey you are on, we are here to help.

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Thanks for joining us for The Hutchison’s Huddle today in recognition of National Infertility Awareness Week, and also keep in mind today is Earth Day! So you probably are all noticing that we have less or air pollution, which is awesome. So anyway, this is a really interesting Huddle today because we’ve got three different couples who all have different experiences, different journeys, and I just think that’s fantastic, because there’s so many different kinds of fertility patients, and I think that hearing their different journeys is really important. So I will introduce them, I’m just going to say their first names, and then they can tell you their histories as they feel comfortable with it. Infertility is a very personal journey and you know, I remember going through it a long time ago and feeling pretty embarrassed about it and just really not wanting to talk to people about it, not until significantly later anyway was I comfortable with that. So I think that I’ll let them tell you their stories as they see fit. And then if people want to ask me questions or something, I’m happy to field those, but I won’t tell you any personal stuff about these couples that they don’t tell you themselves. But anyway–and you can see this is my sister Holly, she’s our IVF coordinator. This is my first time doing one of these sessions with different people, so what we’ll do, I’m going to kind of introduce you–the first couple I’m going to introduce you to are Brandon and Kinlee! Hey!

Hello! Hey Scott, how are you? 

Good. How are you’ve been, Brandon? 

Doing well, doing well. 

Very good. Do you have any thoughts on all this process or recollections for you know at the beginning of your fertility journey?

KINLEE  2:34
Okay, so we tried on our own for about three years. I knew I had endometriosis from past pain growing up. So after a year of trying we went to Dr. Hutchison and got tested. Brandon found he had slow motility and I had the endometriosis so we ended up doing IUI two times. They were not successful. And then did IVF and on our first transfer, we were blessed to have our little boy Jackson. And then we had two other embryos. Unfortunately, the second one didn’t take and the third we miscarried. But we feel very blessed in that because we have Jackson. And it kind of gave us kind of a false hope the first time because it was so easy for us. But we realized–we went through the three years of struggle and this IVF process still has its own struggles in itself so you have to maintain kind of that realization that nothing is promised and you know, it’s a journey. But after that, we were actually scheduled for our second IVF, but COVID-19 hindered that. And then my endometriosis has been pretty bad the last year after I had my baby. So about 48 hours ago, I actually was in surgery and had a lot of adhesions and scar tissue removed on Tuesday. But it’s just a different process with IVF and the biggest thing that we probably said in our quote is that it will be your hardest journey, but the reward is so much bigger than that. So even though we’ve gone through three years of trying or IVF or IUI or multiple surgeries, the best thing is Jackson who’s over there eating his dinner and watching Moana! It’s not a promised thing. You have to be strong as a couple, as well as a family. And I think that we’ve been able to do that. So Dr. Hutchison has been wonderful in the whole process as well as Holly and we really appreciate it. 

Thanks! Well, that’s great. So let me let me introduce the next couple here. They are Grace and Katelynn. So, do you want to tell us a little bit about your journey with this stuff?

Yeah, so obviously our journey was a little bit different than other people’s. We’re infertile for other reasons. So for us, when we first met with Dr. H here, he just really explained everything to us because we came in, not necessarily clueless, but we weren’t sure what we were getting ourselves into and we didn’t know the process. We didn’t understand any of the terminology. So that first consultation was full of a lot of questions. And I really appreciate Dr. H for taking the time when putting us at ease and answering all the questions that we had in regards to the process. Luckily, we didn’t have anything underlying that would cause further infertility for us, so we proceeded with IUI. And on our second try that worked for us, thankfully, we got blessed with this little miracle here! And now we’re actually trying to have our second one, we went through two cycles, two unsuccessful cycles of IUI before the virus hit us. And then we had to pause our third cycle. So now we’re just in the waiting game until we can start that back up.

Yeah, it’s been an interesting thing and it’s kind of unfair because there are other couples who need to use donor sperm as well and it and we’re not supposed to do fertility treatment, but like I’ve heard over and over again from both straight couples and gay couples who need to have donor sperm that you know, hey, these other people have sperm can go ahead and try, why can’t we? You know, it’s not really fair. It’s interesting. So what we’re trying to do, we’re going to be doing diminished ovarian reserve cycles for creating embryos, at least anyway, in May. And we feel like with our anesthesia team that we’ve worked out a way that will be the lowest risk for us being vectors of virus or patients being vectors of virus to each other. But you know, I’m still waiting on the ASRM. I checked it this afternoon, I would just go to the professional side of it–he right hand side that’s red–and pretty close to the top of the page is the COVID-19 recommendations and we’ll see when they change that over time.

We’ve been checking there, seeing what’s going on and seeing when we might be able to get started again.

Yeah, here here! Well, cool. Let me bring on our third couple. So this is Steph and Sterling. Nice to see you! So do you want to tell us a little bit about your journey?

STEPH  8:27
We started trying over two years ago. We first went to our OB after a year and they had us do just the basic HSG testing and put us on Clomid after that looked good. We did two rounds of Clomid. At this point we were like 16 months into trying and we got pregnant and we were so excited. We waited till that eight week appointment and, unfortunately, they couldn’t find a baby and they thought it might be ectopic, and two days later I was in surgery removing my right fallopian tube and unfortunately, ending the pregnancy. So we tried after that with Letrozole for a few cycles and Clomid and we hadn’t had any luck. And I continually ovulate on the side that I lost my tube. So we had one of Dr. Hutchinson’s patients who lives in the state we live in, which is not the same state, Dr. Hutchinson is in. And she said that he was awesome and she referred him to us. So then I had a consult with him, and we were supposed to start IVF, but the COVID thing happened, so we weren’t able to proceed.

Yeah, we’ll get there. And certainly, you know, I think that we’ll see how this group in May does and see how doing this slower pace, and the more time between cases works out for doing IVF. And then hopefully even some of these Clomid and Letrozole cycles we can start back up, too. It would be nice to be able to create the embryos when everybody’s a little bit younger rather than being a lot older. But the fortunate thing for all of you, is you’re all youthful, which is good. We have more time! Holly, what’s your two cents worth on what have you learned over–gosh, we’re what? We’re into it for, what, 26, 27 years or something like that?

Yeah, I mean, it’s hard. It’s National Infertility Awareness Week, and everybody’s just been on pins and needles thinking like, what are we going to be able to do and when are we going to be able to do it? It’s super stressful. It’s already stressful enough to be infertile and have to go to a fertility specialist to get pregnant and then this stuff happens. And everybody just gets thrown for a loop. But I think one of the things we’ve all learned in the years that we’ve done this is that persistence pays off and you can never predict completely what your outcomes are going to be all the time. So you have to–it’s kind of like with COVID, the same thing–if you don’t have any tolerance for ambiguity of what you don’t know can happen, then it’s gonna be a really hard journey for you because just like anything, something else comes in. I mean, Kinlee has been through surgery already again, and you didn’t probably expect that either. So there’s always these unknowns and we just have to steal our reserve and fight through them. And I think the people who are persistent, they’re successful, they end up having the family. 

And then you know, trying to keep a good attitude is really important. So, for these three couples, I think they’re all really very well-grounded individuals, but there’s a lot of people who have pre-existing anxiety and depression and this whole COVID thing and having to put things on hold just makes it a ton worse. So I encourage anybody to get therapy. And the cool thing is all that is being done over the telephone now or through televisits, and it’s really helping a whole lot of people. So I would encourage you to do that. And then trying to keep in good health in this in this lag time, because the worst thing that I think that that we could do is to kind of backtrack and you start smoking pot again or start drinking or eating Flaming Hot Cheetos and ice cream and stuff like that and not exercising or getting your sleep hygiene messed up, you know, so that while we’re in this holding pattern that we can keep our eggs and sperm as good as we can get them so that when we’re ready to try to get pregnant we can do it.

HOLLY  13:26
I have a question for them. What would your advice be to someone who knows they’re gonna need to start through fertility treatment. What would be your advice to them, especially now because things are kind of on hold? Knowing what you know now, what would you tell somebody who’s new to the journey?

I would say for Kinlee and I, you have to be willing to be a team, you have to be a strong team, and not pay attention to everything else that’s going on around you. I think one of the things that we struggle with the most was that everyone else around us was getting pregnant, but we couldn’t. So I would say, don’t worry about the stuff that’s going on around you, but just worry about the two of you, and just be a team and focus on each other. And you’ll make it work. It’ll work in the in the end

KINLEE 14:26
A good stress outlet was we would walk around in all the parts here in our town, and we just would walk and walk and talk about our frustrations and that would help our fertility. I mean, we were married four or five years, and then we’d go to weddings, and they’d be married in a year and end up having a baby. So it was really hard. So just being that teammate because they understand what you’re going through and taking long walks and telling them what your frustration is and getting through it, which also helps infertility in the sense that you’re exercising, that really helped us.

HOLLY 14:57
Yeah, that’s a great idea.

Yeah, it’s funny how you notice when other people are getting pregnant all around you, I think it’s worse than it was for us because of the social media part of it, because they curate their lives on the social media, and they only show you what you see. And they’re not usually telling you about the not getting pregnant and the miscarriages or the ectopics or whatever, they’re showing you their pregnant belly or whatever. And I had a patient in here a couple of days ago, and she started to cry. And I said, “Well, what’s going on?” And she said, “Well, so this friend of mine got pregnant really easily. And she told me about it today. And I said to her, Oh, I’m so happy for you!” And she said, “And I’m so angry with myself because I’m really angry at her and I feel guilty about it.” It’s an interesting process. I can remember that with my spouse coming home and crying a lot, you know.

STEPH  16:12
I think for me, we started sharing about our journey right after my ectopic pregnancy. And it was healing for me to have so many people reach out and say, I have had one also, or I know someone who has had one, or just even have family and friends’ support. And I think we don’t realize, just like what you said, how many people are actually going through the same thing as us and because it’s not something that’s maybe socially acceptable to share on social media, it just kind of seems like it’s not apparent, it’s not happening, when it is. There’s a lot more people in our lives going through the same thing as us.

Yeah, you know, and ectopics are so scary because you know, that’s still the number one killer of pregnant women in the United States. And it just spins your head because you’re just thinking you’re gonna have a baby. And then they’re telling you, you’ve got a life threatening problem and you need to have surgery for it. I just think that’s a horrible, horrible thing to have to go through.

HOLLY  17:13
I nearly died from it.

Yeah, yeah.

Holly Hutchison  17:17
Hospital eight days, they wouldn’t transfuse my blood because it was during another big virus that we didn’t know anything about called HIV. I’m really old. But that’s a purple spot for me when people have gone through an ectopic because it just sucks so bad.

Yeah, I remember that. You didn’t give and you couldn’t do–we found out there had been a paper that your family members, like, for a while they thought, Well, what if we just have our family members donate our blood for us, then we’ll know that it’s not infected with HIV. Well, then it turned out that because people will not share everything about their personal lives or their family members, necessarily, it turned out you were more likely to get HIV from a family member’s blood than donated blood was anonymous. So those were the days where man, they were not transfusing unless you were like gonna die. Bummer deal. Anyways, anybody else have any input or thoughts or questions or suggestions?

I think now, it’s really important to just stay as mentally resilient as you can because everybody keeps making jokes every time I get on social media that there is going to be a quarantine baby boom. So I think it’s really difficult with those things when you’re dealing with, like, we can’t produce a baby naturally. That’s all we want. And it’s very, very difficult to see other people get pregnant so easily without even trying. Literally five people at work today or this past week, rather, told me that they were expecting. So it’s very frustrating when you’ve tried and tried and tried, or your plans have been put on hold because of something like this. And it’s just important to stay as positive as you can and really focus on the bright side of things because the virus will end eventually, we’ll all get what we want.

GRACE 19:23
I think patience is the biggest thing for sure, just trying to be as patient as you can with it, and just trusting the process and just trusting that what’s meant to be will be kind of thing. So I mean, that’s what we’ve been telling ourselves. You know, we tried twice before this thing hit, we were unsuccessful at getting pregnant. So we just keep telling ourselves, you know what’s meant to be, will be and when it happens, it happens for us. So just keep that positivity and your faith within your relationship and just trust the process as much as you can.

I have a question for those of you who’ve been through this stuff. How could we do it better? What could we do that would have made it easier?

BRANDON  20:10
I don’t think that–I mean for you and Holly and the rest of your staff–I don’t think that there’s anything that you guys could have done better. I think that there was a lot of sympathy. There was a lot of empathy. There was a lot of explanation and clarity from you guys. I think that Kinlee and I had a lot of questions. And I think that for me as a man, it was demoralizing not being able to provide for my wife, but you guys just solidified that that’s not the case. I think that for Kinlee, it was not being able to provide a child for her family. And I think that you guys were fantastic in the entire process and you gave us comfort, you gave us reassurance. You were very patient with our thousand questions, but as far as anything, you guys could have done better. I would say zero. There’s nothing you guys could have done better.

KINLEE  21:01
I think you do a great job reaching out even after things are successful or if they’re not just to make sure we’re okay mentally, physically. And it has been a big appreciation, so we think of you guys as family after giving us our miracle, but having a tough time, too you were there.

BRANDON  21:19
Even when Jackson’s up at 1am, we still thank you guys!

HOLLY 21:25
You haven’t tried to give him back to me yet.

Oh, he’s coming!

You know, there’s a memory of somebody saying that having children, it’s like against the Geneva Convention! Like can’t do to prisoners, what babies do to you!

BRANDON  21:44
It’s true!

All the sleep deprivation and all that garbage. But if anybody who’s watching if you have other suggestions even like how we manage phones, how We know it’s gonna be different with the COVID thing. It’s this weird thing where we have to have people put on a mask, sanitize, and it’s one person and one person out. And so I guess the normal office flow is going to be a little bit different. But if you have other suggestions, like I had a patient the other day who was like, you know, I’m glad that you’re not shaking hands anymore, because I always thought it was really creepy that doctors would shake your hand in the exam room. It was nice to know that was the case. But yeah, let us let us know if there’s something that we could do better.

I really kind of just want to give you guys a shout out because I feel like you made this whole journey so much easier than it could have been. And the fact that every time we walked in there, all of your staff, especially you [Dr. Hutchison], you really made us feel like you cared about our journey just as much as we did. So I just want to thank you guys for that! 

I had a lot of insecurities going into that office because you, if you’ve ever had to deal with the process of picking a donor, it’s very stressful, you’re given limited information, and you just kind of have to trust that hopefully, especially me, I’m not biologically connected to my daughter, even though we look identical practically, we’re not biologically connected at all. I was terrified, like actually terrified that this baby was going to come into the world and I would have no connection to her whatsoever. Like that bond just wasn’t gonna happen. And I mean, all of those fears, washed away the moment I held her in my arms, but I had a lot of insecurities going into your office and after having that first meeting with you, I didn’t have them anymore. And that’s why when we talked about having a second one I was like, well, we need to do it before we leave Tucson because I’m not going to another doctor so either we’re doing it before we leave or we’re coming back to go to Dr. H because I’m not going to another doctor!

Oh, that’s so nice!

HOLLY  24:10
I think one of the things in this COVID thing I was thinking of things we can do better–I had a patient tell me the other day that because people are not in the office together, there’s been some disjointed things, particularly with billing, and with understanding what the billing cycle is because we’ve got billing is not in the office right now. And so I think it’s going to be one of the things will hopefully get worked out so that we’re cohesive in terms of how we still present as an office staff that talks to each other. So working from home is a little different.

It’s a little wonky. But I’m kind of liking doing the televisits. Karina and I were talking earlier about that I really feel like it’s the televisits for the patients–first of all, we have more time now so we can go over stuff, so the average televisit is like an hour. And we go through all of the supplements stuff and the clean living and all that stuff and we’re able to get all that done and then not having–the weird thing is, you know, like, whenever people are doing physical exams on you, to me, that’s very stressful, it’s invasive, it’s stressful. And to be able to do the exam at a separate time because that’s what we’ve been doing, we will bring people in at a different time to do the exam, and it just seems to be a lot less stressful for people. So yeah, so I think it’s actually working out pretty well. But yeah, have some patience if there’s some miscommunication going on or call me and let me know.

HOLLY  26:01
I have another question for you guys. How hard was it to make that first call to a fertility specialist? Like somebody who’s again, just going through this process, how hard was it to make that call? And then how was it once you made the call?

GRACE  26:23
She’s the one that found Dr. H, and it was like, Hey, I made an appointment with him. This is the day we’re going in and I was like, alright, cool! 

I gave her no choice!

Yeah, I didn’t even know who he was until I walked through the door and met him. I was terrified again with the whole process of my own insecurities and having a donor and stuff. I was terrified walking in and after she told me she had made the appointment, but after it was a relief because all of the questions I had, they were all answered thoroughly and I did ask as many questions as I wanted to, and I didn’t feel like I was asking too much of him at all. So, I mean, I left with a lot of relief and then I was excited like, okay, yeah, we can do this. I’m excited. Now I don’t have this fear hanging over me. 

For me, I already felt confident walking in because I was referred to you by a former patient of yours who spoke your praises. So I already felt confident in your abilities before I even walked through the door. And that was only reinforced after meeting you and going through the process.

Oh, that’s nice! Thank you.

STEPH  27:37
I felt really confident because I also had a patient refer us there. Not only had we heard amazing things about Dr. Hutchinson, but everybody talks about Holly like, she’s awesome, she’s so organized. So I felt confident. But the whole thing is really scary. I mean, after we got our prescriptions and everything, it’s really scary going through this. I think, one minute, I’m super excited, and I can’t wait and I wish I could start tomorrow. And the next time I’m like, give me like six months, you know, it’s just hard to swallow that this is something you have to go through. So I don’t know if I’ll ever feel 100% ready. I think I’ll always be kind of anxious about the situation. But I’m really confident in the team I have and I think that’s the best thing I can go for.

First cycle of treatment with anything, even if it’s just like doing insemination, I think it’s pretty anxiety-provoking because you have no idea what’s going on. But we give people like these stats like, you know, a 10% for IUI, or, you know, 40 to 60 with IVF or whatever, but you don’t really know what that means until you kind of go on through it. It’s a weird thing and I don’t know, you want it to work so bad that you want it to be 100%. One of our patients is saying, we waited so long to make a call to a reproductive endocrinologist, I was worried how the process would go. And that is such a common complaint or common worry that people have because they just don’t know where they go. And another person saying, it feels like a taboo subject but it is interesting, like you were saying, Steph, that once you bring it up then people are like, Oh yeah, we did that or Oh yeah, I know, my sister had to go through all that and stuff like that. Then another patient of ours who’s pregnant right now is saying my advice for starting treatment would be to eat healthy and exercise for three months prior, educate yourself on all the options available, and go in with a positive attitude and don’t give up. Yeah, it’s a weird thing, the giving up thing, I don’t know. You know, like when we were going through it a long time ago, the things pregnancy rates weren’t as good, technique wasn’t as good and all that. And I don’t know if I could have stomached doing much more. I think there is a point at which people do you know, they’re entitled to get off the treatment wheel. But, yeah, if you can keep some persistence and keep focused through at least a reasonable course of treatment, I think that’s a good thing. Holly, do you have a suggestion on that too?

HOLLY  30:57
Well, I think it’s important as a couple or a family to have a goal then reassess the goal as you go through things. So, you know, it may be–like I’ve had couples say, we’re going to do this three times and if we don’t reach what we need to do in three times, we’re done. Reevaluating as they go. But it mentally gives you a stopping point because I think there are some times when it feels like you know, and Kinlee can probably attest to this, where you do another embryo transfer and it doesn’t work and/or you have a miscarriage and you feel like the deck is definitely stacked against you. And so that’s why I think just psychologically knowing that there’s a place where you can stop if you want to, like tap out of it, that’s very important. I hate seeing patients get on a wheel of, they really lose track and lose sight of what the goal was, and they continue on and something that’s just really hard and very difficult without an end in sight for them. And I think that’s really tough.

It’s interesting, at this last meeting in California–which they’ve canceled now, which is a bummer–but there are a lot of practices that now do, like, for people in their later 30s, they’ll encourage them not to transfer, even if they say I just want to have one baby, they’ll be like, look, we want you to do three egg retrievals before you ever do a transfer, because we know that what’s going to happen is if you get a failed transfer, it may make you depressed or whatever. And so if you create these embryos ahead of time and then you know that you’re going to be then transferring them later, you’re more likely to stick with it. I think it’s a little bit weird, it maybe serves the practices a little bit more than the patients and certainly somebody who would just want to have one kid, they might create way more embryos than they ever will want to use. And that can be, I think, psychologically very, very painful as well. But I think–

HOLLY  33:16
I think it’s really important to evaluate at the end of each cycle with your staff, the doctor, and have that re-look at it–are we in a good place to go ahead and start transfer? Do we need to bank more embryos before we do that? And the answer is different for every single person. It’s important just to keep that dialogue going with your team, because that’s why it’s a team. And when you come, especially into our office–Kinlee said it’s like a family–but it’s more teamwork. I mean, everybody has a part in it. And we all help you tease out what’s gonna be best for you. I think Dr. Hutchinson is really good on the statistical side or what are the next steps you can take that are offered to you. And then sometimes, it’s just as nice to have Pamela who’s drawing blood for her to just chat with you about what some of your feelings are about it. So, you know, that’s kind of–all of us have a little role in what we’re doing and we’re always there to talk with patients about that.

Very nice. Well, very good! I really thank you for all of your time and your participation. I think this is gonna be helpful for a lot of other patients.

HOLLY  34:53
And Katelynn, it was so nice for you guys to mention that, you know, you don’t always have to have a biological connection to a child to have it feel really like your own. 


HOLLY  35:07
So that experience that you had. How you build your family, it’s not always a straight line. Sometimes the little diversions around it are what make it exciting and you end up with–it’s just a wonderful way to build a family sometimes it’s not what you think it was gonna be.

I remember when donor egg really started rolling back in the 80s, the psychologists were just chomping at the bit to figure out how people would react to the babies. Majority of the women who were doing those cycles were older and kind of aged out of having their own biologic children, but they almost all of the original patient group that was there in Los Angeles, they remarried these younger guys, and they wanted to give them a baby. And so they were like, you know, I’ve got my own biologic children, so yeah, if we can use his sperm and donor egg, I’ll do it. But all those psychologists were like, whoa, is it gonna be like, that kid–I don’t love that kid very much or as much as her biologic children. And it turned out that it was no different. It’s so fascinating to me, seeing that it doesn’t really matter. The genetic part of it, I mean, I think it’s really important for a lot of people. But in the big picture, you love your kids for who they are and all that stuff.

HOLLY  36:41
This has kind of been really cool that COVID happened because we would have never done events like this! I have all these colleagues that I rarely see because it’s only when you go to a meeting that you see them and I have been on more events shared online. So I’m seeing people that I would only see like once every four or five years, and some of the leaders in our industry that it’s like, Whoa, I was just on a call with Carlos Simone! It’s super interesting to see how humans work around the fact that we can’t really see each other. And thank God, we have this technology! In some ways, the whole internet and FaceTime and all that stuff and Facebook can be a negative thing, but when it really comes to human communication, sometimes it’s fantastic. And this has been fantastic. I hope that you guys are all not feeling too remote from your friends and that you have the opportunity to share with these funny faces. I think the technology will get better. I’m hoping the next time that my wrinkles will look better and everything because I’ll just put a filter cam on it and I’ll look super awesome like Sofia Vergara or something! And you’ll be  like, I really like Holly on the other format as opposed to in person!

Yeah, I’ve been given my own haircuts and it’s not pretty.

HOLLY 38:23
This is a COVID-do. Yeah, there’s a lot of gray. It’s not blond.

Thank you. Thank you all so much. And for those of you who are watching, remember, you can always go back and look at archived things and you can always send us questions and we will answer them in the next Huddle. And if you have any suggestions or if anybody wants a topic covered in a Huddle in the future, please let us know and we will try to address that. Because, again, I’ve got more time and so doing more search and our hospital librarians are also happy to help because they’re just sitting around most of the time, I think. 

HOLLY  39:17
You guys stay safe and wash your hands!

Yeah, definitely. And wear your masks. My wife went to Costco yesterday and said about 20% of people weren’t wearing masks. We’ve been putting them out in the sunshine in the backyard tying them to yard furniture because the virus does not like UV. About 3 days is more than enough for that. Stay safe, wash your hands. I’ve been touching my face here in this thing, but during the daytime, I’m very good about not touching my face at all. And when you see us, we’re going to be masked up and googled up and hats on and all that kind of stuff. Well, thank you all have a great Have a great night.

BRANDON  40:16
Thanks, Scot!

Hasta luego! We’ll see you down the road. Steph and Sterling, Katelynn and Grace, Brandon and Kinlee, we’ll see you down the road!

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